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		<title>By: Indiana Gregg</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/17/artists-the-world-belongs-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1380</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It actually is by units sold @Dresdnik  not units shipped! RATM was solely based upon downloads sold (the record was not in the shops)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It actually is by units sold @Dresdnik  not units shipped! RATM was solely based upon downloads sold (the record was not in the shops)</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since rankings are based on units shipped and not units sold, rankings are artificially generated and have no meaning. The labels can make anyone they want &#039;Number One&#039; as needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since rankings are based on units shipped and not units sold, rankings are artificially generated and have no meaning. The labels can make anyone they want &#8216;Number One&#8217; as needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Gregg</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/17/artists-the-world-belongs-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1376</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rage Against the Machine beat X-factor this weekend for Christmas No. 1 :)</description>
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		<title>By: Indiana Gregg</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/17/artists-the-world-belongs-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1375</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Clark  Obviously, for the sake of this thread, Ted Cohen is talking about performing artists and performing bands. That is very very clear. In order to do that, it simply has to be your &#039;day job&#039;. Obviously, there are other ways to make money in music. We, for example, have a studio and bands come and record in it. I&#039;ve spent loads of time doing sessions and BV&#039;s for artists and of course, there are ways to makes some money even playing in orchestras. That&#039;s not really the point that Ted is making though, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Clark  Obviously, for the sake of this thread, Ted Cohen is talking about performing artists and performing bands. That is very very clear. In order to do that, it simply has to be your &#8216;day job&#8217;. Obviously, there are other ways to make money in music. We, for example, have a studio and bands come and record in it. I&#8217;ve spent loads of time doing sessions and BV&#8217;s for artists and of course, there are ways to makes some money even playing in orchestras. That&#8217;s not really the point that Ted is making though, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: DevilsAdvocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevilsAdvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Clark:

Bravo!
Nicely done!</description>
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<p>Bravo!<br />
Nicely done!</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Sorley</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/17/artists-the-world-belongs-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1369</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Sorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a misleading premise in the perennial question: what are musicians to do now that the Internet is destroying the music industry.

It is misleading because the Internet is not destroying the music industry. It is the record business that is screwed. The music business is in rude health. So to answer the question what are musicians to do: they are to do what they have always done. If they are driven and ambitious enough they are to find ways of turning their talents into a career. That is not an easy call but it’s a possibility.

When I started out, the options available were similar to the ones that still exist today. Here are some: get a qualification and teach, get a qualification and join a professional orchestra or choir, get accomplished and become a session player, become a live performer, become a producer or engineer, open a recording facility, join or form a function band, compose music for visuals, advertising and broadcast. Or a concoction thereof.

Granted, some of these are not very sexy. But we’re talking jobs here. A careers officer might counsel caution and rightly so. The arts in all its forms is a precarious endeavour. But he wouldn’t shoo a student from the room who suggested any of the above. They are tangible. He might shoo If the student suggested becoming an artist or a songwriter and pursuing a record deal. Why? Because that would be the equivalent of buying lottery tickets as a career choice. It’s not an impossible prospect just an unlikely one. It always was. Nothing has changed in that regard except it is even more unlikely now. 

Of all musicians, a very small fraction got on the record business gravy train. All but a small fraction of them were thrown off again. Of the remainder another small fraction got to drink from the cup. Being an artist in the record business is not and never was a viable career option. So why do the discussions around the various forums including some of Ted Cohen’s remarks here seem to assume that it is?

The new networks and associated technology add something extra to the business of making music whether one is involved professionally or recreationally. They take something away from the traditional business of making records. And that loss hampers virtually no one other than the gravy train people. So to ask what are musicians to do is a legitimate question with a simple answer: find work! To ask what are the folks on the train to do is like asking what will kings and queens do when the world is a republic. Why would anyone care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a misleading premise in the perennial question: what are musicians to do now that the Internet is destroying the music industry.</p>
<p>It is misleading because the Internet is not destroying the music industry. It is the record business that is screwed. The music business is in rude health. So to answer the question what are musicians to do: they are to do what they have always done. If they are driven and ambitious enough they are to find ways of turning their talents into a career. That is not an easy call but it’s a possibility.</p>
<p>When I started out, the options available were similar to the ones that still exist today. Here are some: get a qualification and teach, get a qualification and join a professional orchestra or choir, get accomplished and become a session player, become a live performer, become a producer or engineer, open a recording facility, join or form a function band, compose music for visuals, advertising and broadcast. Or a concoction thereof.</p>
<p>Granted, some of these are not very sexy. But we’re talking jobs here. A careers officer might counsel caution and rightly so. The arts in all its forms is a precarious endeavour. But he wouldn’t shoo a student from the room who suggested any of the above. They are tangible. He might shoo If the student suggested becoming an artist or a songwriter and pursuing a record deal. Why? Because that would be the equivalent of buying lottery tickets as a career choice. It’s not an impossible prospect just an unlikely one. It always was. Nothing has changed in that regard except it is even more unlikely now. </p>
<p>Of all musicians, a very small fraction got on the record business gravy train. All but a small fraction of them were thrown off again. Of the remainder another small fraction got to drink from the cup. Being an artist in the record business is not and never was a viable career option. So why do the discussions around the various forums including some of Ted Cohen’s remarks here seem to assume that it is?</p>
<p>The new networks and associated technology add something extra to the business of making music whether one is involved professionally or recreationally. They take something away from the traditional business of making records. And that loss hampers virtually no one other than the gravy train people. So to ask what are musicians to do is a legitimate question with a simple answer: find work! To ask what are the folks on the train to do is like asking what will kings and queens do when the world is a republic. Why would anyone care?</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Sorley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark Sorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the Scott Andrew comment.

The notion that diehards are sophisticated purveyors of taste, and casual fans have opinions of no consequence to the art, is facile. Thankfully the truth is more complex.

There are fanatics who are narrowly interested in one thing, blind to the beauty in everything else. There are ordinary appreciators who value music highly but have a casual relationship to it. These are just two examples of appreciator types of which there seems to be an infinite number. 

Schlosberg’s point in &lt;a HREF=&quot;“http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/farewell-to-the-casual-music-fan.html”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Farewell to the Casual Music Fan&lt;/A&gt; about something essential being lost with the fragmentation of the platform is a valid one. Music is as much defined by context as content. Change the context and everything changes with it. 

The forward developments will continue to bring positive changes. But there will be losses too and the Great Artist who bestrides the globe appreciated by millions will probably be one of them.

I understand that Scott Andrew was having a wee bit of a polemicist’s moment there and no one grudges him that. But Schlosberg’s piece is well thought out and points to some uneasy realities about the consensus value of music to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the Scott Andrew comment.</p>
<p>The notion that diehards are sophisticated purveyors of taste, and casual fans have opinions of no consequence to the art, is facile. Thankfully the truth is more complex.</p>
<p>There are fanatics who are narrowly interested in one thing, blind to the beauty in everything else. There are ordinary appreciators who value music highly but have a casual relationship to it. These are just two examples of appreciator types of which there seems to be an infinite number. </p>
<p>Schlosberg’s point in <a HREF="“http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/farewell-to-the-casual-music-fan.html”" rel="nofollow">Farewell to the Casual Music Fan</a> about something essential being lost with the fragmentation of the platform is a valid one. Music is as much defined by context as content. Change the context and everything changes with it. </p>
<p>The forward developments will continue to bring positive changes. But there will be losses too and the Great Artist who bestrides the globe appreciated by millions will probably be one of them.</p>
<p>I understand that Scott Andrew was having a wee bit of a polemicist’s moment there and no one grudges him that. But Schlosberg’s piece is well thought out and points to some uneasy realities about the consensus value of music to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Gregg</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/17/artists-the-world-belongs-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1362</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Music always had to be your &#039;day&#039; job if you were going to be a professional musician. But, most musician&#039;s cannot afford not to work without some form of investment behind them. I don&#039;t see how there will be much investment in the future (outside of X-factor and major label music) because the time it takes to develop and reach a critical mass fan base whereby an artist can become profitable these days takes a lot longer and a lot more budget is necessary in order to get a return that would allow the artist to actually be able to pay the bills and generate a return on the original investment (minimum of 5 years, maybe a lifetime, who knows). (Because, giving up the day job requires that the artist would at least have the basic needs of food/clothing and shelter supplied in order to do that. Obviously, if we&#039;re talking about a 4-5 piece band, multiply those living expenses by the number of band members).  So, without a working model that compensates musicians, we will be looking at only the &#039;elite&#039; penetrating our TV screens and radio airwaves and possibly only those &#039;elite&#039; will be able to penetrate the net given the millions of songs out there. Nothing&#039;s changed, it has just broadened the divide between the professional working musician and the &#039;hobby&#039; or &#039;weekend&#039; musician with a day job.  If all those &#039;new releases&#039; were made up of bands who are also playing locally or touring, then we would have every pub, club &amp; theatre booked with live music every night of the week. You would think there would be more venues opening and more pubs, clubs and town halls putting on live shows. But, that doesn&#039;t appear to be the case from what I&#039;ve seen. It looks like we have popular clubs, theatres and venues being bought up by big players. hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music always had to be your &#8216;day&#8217; job if you were going to be a professional musician. But, most musician&#8217;s cannot afford not to work without some form of investment behind them. I don&#8217;t see how there will be much investment in the future (outside of X-factor and major label music) because the time it takes to develop and reach a critical mass fan base whereby an artist can become profitable these days takes a lot longer and a lot more budget is necessary in order to get a return that would allow the artist to actually be able to pay the bills and generate a return on the original investment (minimum of 5 years, maybe a lifetime, who knows). (Because, giving up the day job requires that the artist would at least have the basic needs of food/clothing and shelter supplied in order to do that. Obviously, if we&#8217;re talking about a 4-5 piece band, multiply those living expenses by the number of band members).  So, without a working model that compensates musicians, we will be looking at only the &#8216;elite&#8217; penetrating our TV screens and radio airwaves and possibly only those &#8216;elite&#8217; will be able to penetrate the net given the millions of songs out there. Nothing&#8217;s changed, it has just broadened the divide between the professional working musician and the &#8216;hobby&#8217; or &#8216;weekend&#8217; musician with a day job.  If all those &#8216;new releases&#8217; were made up of bands who are also playing locally or touring, then we would have every pub, club &amp; theatre booked with live music every night of the week. You would think there would be more venues opening and more pubs, clubs and town halls putting on live shows. But, that doesn&#8217;t appear to be the case from what I&#8217;ve seen. It looks like we have popular clubs, theatres and venues being bought up by big players. hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Quantam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quantam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch @ the quadrupling of music. It&#039;s quite likely more music is being created than ever before, but at this level such an increase produces less income for everyone (at least the non-major artists that aren&#039;t well-known and liked). Economics 101: supply is inversely related to market price; if you quadruple the quantity of music that&#039;s bound to negatively affect price for those 99.9%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch @ the quadrupling of music. It&#8217;s quite likely more music is being created than ever before, but at this level such an increase produces less income for everyone (at least the non-major artists that aren&#8217;t well-known and liked). Economics 101: supply is inversely related to market price; if you quadruple the quantity of music that&#8217;s bound to negatively affect price for those 99.9%.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following article is a counterpoint - exhibiting the perspective of an anxious artist too scared to let go of the labels&#039; apron strings: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/farewell-to-the-casual-music-fan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Farewell to the Casual Music Fan&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s neatly rebutted in the comments by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scottandrew.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scott Andrew&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Casual fans? Casual fans are for chumps.

Casual fans are the ones that only read one book a year, recommended by Oprah. Casual fans are the ones that abandon you the moment you have an opinion on anything (see: Dixie Chicks, et al) or try something different. Casual fans buy the &quot;greatest hits&quot; compilations because they only want the radio hits.

Casual fans are the reason artists make limp, unintelligent, non-challenging cookie-cutter music. Casual fans are the reason why artists lie about their age and spend more time on their hair and makeup than writing interesting songs.

We&#039;re never going back to 1992. &quot;Casual fans&quot; are never going to pay $18.99 to sample your music ever again. They will preview it at Lala or Rhapsody for $0.02 a spin. If they like it they will select ONLY the tracks they want and buy them for $0.99 or less.

Forget about piracy; a casual fan won&#039;t even care enough to bother. (Seriously, if you&#039;re still worried about piracy in 2010, you should quit now and go sell bookcases or something. You are lost.)

Ignore these &quot;casual&quot; fans. I&#039;m serious. They either get it or they don&#039;t. No fence-sitters, no tourists. Like the man said, spit out the lukewarm.

Also. Get used to the idea that culture is, and has always been, participatory, and that&#039;s never been more true than now.

Want passive listeners? Get lost. Or build a time machine. Or get a job.

Anyone else here uncomfortable with &quot;remix culture,&quot; or hates the idea that any kid with Protools and an internet connection can bang out an album? You should quit music, right now. Because these things are here now, they&#039;re not going away, and they don&#039;t need your approval to exist.

Seriously. Get out of music. Save yourself. How will you handle the future when you can&#039;t even handle the present?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following article is a counterpoint &#8211; exhibiting the perspective of an anxious artist too scared to let go of the labels&#8217; apron strings: <a href="http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/farewell-to-the-casual-music-fan.html" rel="nofollow">Farewell to the Casual Music Fan</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s neatly rebutted in the comments by <a href="http://www.scottandrew.com" rel="nofollow">Scott Andrew</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Casual fans? Casual fans are for chumps.</p>
<p>Casual fans are the ones that only read one book a year, recommended by Oprah. Casual fans are the ones that abandon you the moment you have an opinion on anything (see: Dixie Chicks, et al) or try something different. Casual fans buy the &#8220;greatest hits&#8221; compilations because they only want the radio hits.</p>
<p>Casual fans are the reason artists make limp, unintelligent, non-challenging cookie-cutter music. Casual fans are the reason why artists lie about their age and spend more time on their hair and makeup than writing interesting songs.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re never going back to 1992. &#8220;Casual fans&#8221; are never going to pay $18.99 to sample your music ever again. They will preview it at Lala or Rhapsody for $0.02 a spin. If they like it they will select ONLY the tracks they want and buy them for $0.99 or less.</p>
<p>Forget about piracy; a casual fan won&#8217;t even care enough to bother. (Seriously, if you&#8217;re still worried about piracy in 2010, you should quit now and go sell bookcases or something. You are lost.)</p>
<p>Ignore these &#8220;casual&#8221; fans. I&#8217;m serious. They either get it or they don&#8217;t. No fence-sitters, no tourists. Like the man said, spit out the lukewarm.</p>
<p>Also. Get used to the idea that culture is, and has always been, participatory, and that&#8217;s never been more true than now.</p>
<p>Want passive listeners? Get lost. Or build a time machine. Or get a job.</p>
<p>Anyone else here uncomfortable with &#8220;remix culture,&#8221; or hates the idea that any kid with Protools and an internet connection can bang out an album? You should quit music, right now. Because these things are here now, they&#8217;re not going away, and they don&#8217;t need your approval to exist.</p>
<p>Seriously. Get out of music. Save yourself. How will you handle the future when you can&#8217;t even handle the present?</p></blockquote>
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