Comments on: Not a Broadcast Medium – Part 2 http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/ The net's first, and only, artists-to-fans-to-artists blog! Sun, 18 Apr 2010 13:57:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Indiana Gregg http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1323 Indiana Gregg Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:22:23 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1323 @monkey, I just meant that most people don't spend their time listening to themselves, that's all. If they do a spot for radio or TV they might watch/listen just to see how it went, but, in general, I don't think people go and listen to themselves very often and I don't think they download their own copies from the net, for example, either. (normally, they already have a few copies of their own stuff anyway.) @monkey, I just meant that most people don’t spend their time listening to themselves, that’s all. If they do a spot for radio or TV they might watch/listen just to see how it went, but, in general, I don’t think people go and listen to themselves very often and I don’t think they download their own copies from the net, for example, either. (normally, they already have a few copies of their own stuff anyway.)

]]> By: DevilsAdvocate http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1322 DevilsAdvocate Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:13:49 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1322 "You should hear me singing “the last remake of Paranoid”. Triple tracked my vocals, added reverb, still horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE!!!!" So, why was it we *should* hear it? :P (JK!) “You should hear me singing “the last remake of Paranoid”. Triple tracked my vocals, added reverb, still horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE!!!!”

So, why was it we *should* hear it?
:P (JK!)

]]> By: Monkey D. Luffy http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1320 Monkey D. Luffy Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:13:52 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1320 @Indiana Never meant to imply anyone would want to see themselves 24/7. I know the "Monkey" show would get old fast. What I was disagreeing with was your statement that they couldn't cope listening to themselves, which means they wouldn't want to hear themselves at all. @Robert "Again, the vocals are a huge disappointment" You should hear me singing "the last remake of Paranoid". Triple tracked my vocals, added reverb, still horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE!!!! @Indiana

Never meant to imply anyone would want to see themselves 24/7. I know the “Monkey” show would get old fast. What I was disagreeing with was your statement that they couldn’t cope listening to themselves, which means they wouldn’t want to hear themselves at all.

@Robert

“Again, the vocals are a huge disappointment”

You should hear me singing “the last remake of Paranoid”. Triple tracked my vocals, added reverb, still horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE!!!!

]]> By: Indiana Gregg http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1318 Indiana Gregg Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:03:18 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1318 @monkey, I think you're missing the original point. If you're on TV, it's not like that's the only reason you would use the TV. You are likely to watch other programs that don't contain 'yourself'. I don't think that artists pay for their TV or radio license just because they want to see themselves on TV. That's the point. Just like artists don't pay their mobile & internet subscriptions just because they want to 'hear' themselves online!!! @monkey, I think you’re missing the original point. If you’re on TV, it’s not like that’s the only reason you would use the TV. You are likely to watch other programs that don’t contain ‘yourself’. I don’t think that artists pay for their TV or radio license just because they want to see themselves on TV. That’s the point. Just like artists don’t pay their mobile & internet subscriptions just because they want to ‘hear’ themselves online!!!

]]> By: Robert http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1317 Robert Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:49:00 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1317 @Monkey: Congrats! It is a good feeling and necessary for the ego and self confidence to have your efforts acknowledged. I write music, I have a myspace account, I never see the number of plays increase. It's OK, I know what I put up there was crap compared to stuff many artists create. But like you, I get excited when I see the "play count" increment. I still think it's probably some ISP caching it, for what reason I don't know, but it's exciting to think "wow, someone actually listened to one of my songs." I <i>would</i> be joyful if one of my songs was on the radio or used in a commercial (with my knowledge first would be nice) or played at a club or something. I wrote one for an artist I really admire and I do enjoy hearing it. Well, the music that is. Once the vocals start I am immediately wishing I had the time to redo them. There are two plays listed for that song, though I wonder if said artist actually listened to it, he's on my myspace so who knows. Maybe it sucked so bad he refused to acknowledge it. I thought it was the best sounding recording and one of the best lyrically I've written. Again, the vocals are a huge disappointment, but I had a timeline I gave to myself to have it up on myspace and well... it's there. @Monkey:
Congrats! It is a good feeling and necessary for the ego and self confidence to have your efforts acknowledged.

I write music, I have a myspace account, I never see the number of plays increase. It’s OK, I know what I put up there was crap compared to stuff many artists create.

But like you, I get excited when I see the “play count” increment. I still think it’s probably some ISP caching it, for what reason I don’t know, but it’s exciting to think “wow, someone actually listened to one of my songs.”

I would be joyful if one of my songs was on the radio or used in a commercial (with my knowledge first would be nice) or played at a club or something.

I wrote one for an artist I really admire and I do enjoy hearing it. Well, the music that is. Once the vocals start I am immediately wishing I had the time to redo them. There are two plays listed for that song, though I wonder if said artist actually listened to it, he’s on my myspace so who knows. Maybe it sucked so bad he refused to acknowledge it. I thought it was the best sounding recording and one of the best lyrically I’ve written. Again, the vocals are a huge disappointment, but I had a timeline I gave to myself to have it up on myspace and well… it’s there.

]]> By: Monkey D. Luffy http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1316 Monkey D. Luffy Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:53:09 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1316 @Indiana BTW, although I never got anywhere near any kind of fame, I did have my tiny bit of 15min when one of my cgi graphics (my hobby, digital art) got featured on the sci fi channel's web site. Even though I made the graphic, had both the rendered jpg AND the .max 3d file, you can bet I went to see it on the sci fi channels site as soon as they posted it. Call me an egoist if you want, but there it is. @Indiana

BTW, although I never got anywhere near any kind of fame, I did have my tiny bit of 15min when one of my cgi graphics (my hobby, digital art) got featured on the sci fi channel’s web site. Even though I made the graphic, had both the rendered jpg AND the .max 3d file, you can bet I went to see it on the sci fi channels site as soon as they posted it. Call me an egoist if you want, but there it is.

]]> By: Monkey D. Luffy http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1315 Monkey D. Luffy Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:43:52 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1315 <blockquote>So, why would you listen or look at the stuff you already know.</blockquote> Because you've been struggling, playing dives for little or no pay for years, maybe in and out of different bands, been ripped off, worked all kinds of shit jobs to pay for equipment, and now it's all paid off, FUCK YES I'd want to hear myself on the radio and see myself on tv, I don't consider it egotistical at all, merely enjoying the reward of years of labor and frustration. Doesn't in the LEAST mean that you can't be working on the next album, just that you took a moment off to kick back and enjoy some success. Can't say I personally knew anyone who got famous, but I knew a couple of bands that would sit by the radio to hear themselves played on some rinky dink tiny station(big stations don't play local bands) and be very happy when their song got played. Now if these guys got famous I think it would be a while before they got jaded enough to just say, "aww, it's us again, whatever".

So, why would you listen or look at the stuff you already know.

Because you’ve been struggling, playing dives for little or no pay for years, maybe in and out of different bands, been ripped off, worked all kinds of shit jobs to pay for equipment, and now it’s all paid off, FUCK YES I’d want to hear myself on the radio and see myself on tv, I don’t consider it egotistical at all, merely enjoying the reward of years of labor and frustration. Doesn’t in the LEAST mean that you can’t be working on the next album, just that you took a moment off to kick back and enjoy some success. Can’t say I personally knew anyone who got famous, but I knew a couple of bands that would sit by the radio to hear themselves played on some rinky dink tiny station(big stations don’t play local bands) and be very happy when their song got played. Now if these guys got famous I think it would be a while before they got jaded enough to just say, “aww, it’s us again, whatever”.

]]> By: Indiana Gregg http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1314 Indiana Gregg Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:31:41 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1314 @monkey ok, maybe some artists or bands are that 'into' themselves, but, from what I've personally experienced, most artists can't cope with listening to themselves. They want to move on to the next piece of work. Hmm. Maybe there is something about that idea of 'famous' that has been used and abused. I guess maybe if it's about the 'fame' then, they may be so narcissistic. But, the very idea of being creative means that as an artist you are constantly looking towards a new path. In my point of view, I see making music, being creative, and the whole road we go down as artists is that you are constantly shape-shifting and creating. So, why would you listen or look at the stuff you already know. You'll be spending time perhaps looking and listening to your peers and creating new thoughts and ideas. But, maybe I'm being naive. I don't know. I guess in the case of how you're saying, it must depend upon the motivation of the individual artist/band. If all this pop culture nonsense has only produced a bunch of people who wanna be 'famous' and that's the way you see it, then, I think that the popular manufactured machine has gotten the best of you. That's not what I see as either artistic or creative. But, in these days, sometimes you have to use the 3 minute formula code (verse bridge choruse verse bridge chorus mid 8 outro chorus, ad lib) scenario to get the mission point out there (thesus, anti-thesus, statement of culture, etc.) Is it about famous or is it about message or is it about going against the norm? Hard to say anymore. In the indie world, I don't believe that every artist will sell their soul. Maybe I'm being ultra-naive. @monkey ok, maybe some artists or bands are that ‘into’ themselves, but, from what I’ve personally experienced, most artists can’t cope with listening to themselves. They want to move on to the next piece of work. Hmm. Maybe there is something about that idea of ‘famous’ that has been used and abused. I guess maybe if it’s about the ‘fame’ then, they may be so narcissistic. But, the very idea of being creative means that as an artist you are constantly looking towards a new path. In my point of view, I see making music, being creative, and the whole road we go down as artists is that you are constantly shape-shifting and creating. So, why would you listen or look at the stuff you already know. You’ll be spending time perhaps looking and listening to your peers and creating new thoughts and ideas. But, maybe I’m being naive. I don’t know. I guess in the case of how you’re saying, it must depend upon the motivation of the individual artist/band. If all this pop culture nonsense has only produced a bunch of people who wanna be ‘famous’ and that’s the way you see it, then, I think that the popular manufactured machine has gotten the best of you. That’s not what I see as either artistic or creative. But, in these days, sometimes you have to use the 3 minute formula code (verse bridge choruse verse bridge chorus mid 8 outro chorus, ad lib) scenario to get the mission point out there (thesus, anti-thesus, statement of culture, etc.) Is it about famous or is it about message or is it about going against the norm? Hard to say anymore. In the indie world, I don’t believe that every artist will sell their soul. Maybe I’m being ultra-naive.

]]> By: Monkey D. Luffy http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1311 Monkey D. Luffy Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:26:00 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1311 @Indiana <blockquote>except that he probably won’t be watching himself on TV or listening to himself on the radio.</blockquote> Are you kidding me? Maybe some old guys that have been famous for 25+ years are going to say "turn that shit off" when they see/hear their stuff, but I can't picture any new bands NOT wanting to hear themselves on the radio or watch themselves on tv. @Indiana

except that he probably won’t be watching himself on TV or listening to himself on the radio.

Are you kidding me? Maybe some old guys that have been famous for 25+ years are going to say “turn that shit off” when they see/hear their stuff, but I can’t picture any new bands NOT wanting to hear themselves on the radio or watch themselves on tv.

]]> By: Indiana Gregg http://a2f2a.com/2009/12/07/not-a-broadcast-medium-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-1310 Indiana Gregg Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:48:08 +0000 http://a2f2a.com/?p=1005#comment-1310 hmm. It's sort of like saying that if an artist pays his TV license or his radio license, he is indirectly paying for his own work as well, except that he probably won't be watching himself on TV or listening to himself on the radio. hmm. It’s sort of like saying that if an artist pays his TV license or his radio license, he is indirectly paying for his own work as well, except that he probably won’t be watching himself on TV or listening to himself on the radio.

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