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		<title>By: DevilsAdvocate</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/11/01/shoplifter-sued-for-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-517</link>
		<dc:creator>DevilsAdvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bill:

I hear ya!
It was just a matter of time before they spun their web big enough to snare American farmers.

To me as well, the music industry is only one piece of the Great IP Scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bill:</p>
<p>I hear ya!<br />
It was just a matter of time before they spun their web big enough to snare American farmers.</p>
<p>To me as well, the music industry is only one piece of the Great IP Scam.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/11/01/shoplifter-sued-for-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DevilsAdvocate on agribusiness &quot;This scam has been going on for years in many countries. It’s one of the primary ways the Corporates exploit the entire Third World for its land and resources, all the while having the whole thing spun as “providing aid”.

Yes, I&#039;m aware of that. I wrote that piece 6 years ago and it was going on a long time before that. I lived in a farming community for many years (although I am not a farmer) and my extreme distaste for IP goes much deeper than the limited scope of this site. It&#039;s rooted in watching my neighbors lose their livelyhoods and their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DevilsAdvocate on agribusiness &#8220;This scam has been going on for years in many countries. It’s one of the primary ways the Corporates exploit the entire Third World for its land and resources, all the while having the whole thing spun as “providing aid”.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m aware of that. I wrote that piece 6 years ago and it was going on a long time before that. I lived in a farming community for many years (although I am not a farmer) and my extreme distaste for IP goes much deeper than the limited scope of this site. It&#8217;s rooted in watching my neighbors lose their livelyhoods and their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Quantam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quantam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After what DevilsAdvocate said, I thought it would be worth pointing out a principle of social psychology known as &#039;diffusion of responsibility&#039;. What this means is that when responsibility for something is divided among multiple people, each receiving an equal portion of the benefits and blame, moral pressure is also divided, so each person is less affected by their conscience. Get enough people sharing responsibility (e.g. a company board or shareholder meeting) and this can lead to seemingly moral people making unconscionable decisions without any guilt or pangs of conscience (decisions they would never think of making all by themselves).

This principle is widely applicable. It&#039;s both the reason governing bodies or pure capitalism can lead to atrocities, as well as the reason communism doesn&#039;t work in reality despite sounding good in theory (people simply aren&#039;t willing to expend effort for the common good when everyone shares the same benefits and blame).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After what DevilsAdvocate said, I thought it would be worth pointing out a principle of social psychology known as &#8216;diffusion of responsibility&#8217;. What this means is that when responsibility for something is divided among multiple people, each receiving an equal portion of the benefits and blame, moral pressure is also divided, so each person is less affected by their conscience. Get enough people sharing responsibility (e.g. a company board or shareholder meeting) and this can lead to seemingly moral people making unconscionable decisions without any guilt or pangs of conscience (decisions they would never think of making all by themselves).</p>
<p>This principle is widely applicable. It&#8217;s both the reason governing bodies or pure capitalism can lead to atrocities, as well as the reason communism doesn&#8217;t work in reality despite sounding good in theory (people simply aren&#8217;t willing to expend effort for the common good when everyone shares the same benefits and blame).</p>
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		<title>By: DevilsAdvocate</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/11/01/shoplifter-sued-for-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator>DevilsAdvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bill:

(Re: &quot;Agribusiness&quot;)

This scam has been going on for years in many countries.  It&#039;s one of the primary ways the Corporates exploit the entire Third World for its land and resources, all the while having the whole thing spun as &quot;providing aid&quot;.

Absolute power does corrupt absolutely.
Corporations used to be temporary bodies that existed to benefit society, and then dissolve or reapply for license to continue (again, by presenting a plan that benefits society).  They should never have been allowed to operate for themselves, for profit, forever, and without application.

Then, to make matters worse, the &quot;trade group&quot; envelope was then allowed to wrap around these corporations, and operate internationally, without the oversight of any governments.

Who&#039;s better at illustrating why this is so wrong than the Labels and the MAFIAAs they&#039;re in? :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bill:</p>
<p>(Re: &#8220;Agribusiness&#8221;)</p>
<p>This scam has been going on for years in many countries.  It&#8217;s one of the primary ways the Corporates exploit the entire Third World for its land and resources, all the while having the whole thing spun as &#8220;providing aid&#8221;.</p>
<p>Absolute power does corrupt absolutely.<br />
Corporations used to be temporary bodies that existed to benefit society, and then dissolve or reapply for license to continue (again, by presenting a plan that benefits society).  They should never have been allowed to operate for themselves, for profit, forever, and without application.</p>
<p>Then, to make matters worse, the &#8220;trade group&#8221; envelope was then allowed to wrap around these corporations, and operate internationally, without the oversight of any governments.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s better at illustrating why this is so wrong than the Labels and the MAFIAAs they&#8217;re in? <img src='http://a2f2a.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/11/01/shoplifter-sued-for-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1985 US Spreme Court decision (Dowling V. Unted States)
&quot;(copyright infringement) does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud... The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use.&quot;
At the time, copyright infringement was a misdemeanor with far less severe a punishment than theft. The industry successfully prosecuted Dowling for interstate transport of stolen property (a felony). The Supreme Court overturned the felony conviction. We had a different Supreme Court at the time and no DMC Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1985 US Spreme Court decision (Dowling V. Unted States)<br />
&#8220;(copyright infringement) does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud&#8230; The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use.&#8221;<br />
At the time, copyright infringement was a misdemeanor with far less severe a punishment than theft. The industry successfully prosecuted Dowling for interstate transport of stolen property (a felony). The Supreme Court overturned the felony conviction. We had a different Supreme Court at the time and no DMC Act.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>examining the moral argument of the industry - special emphasis on a Muslim view - as well as addressing the &quot;free market&quot; question. Is it free?
http://www.counterpunch.org/glahn10222003.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>examining the moral argument of the industry &#8211; special emphasis on a Muslim view &#8211; as well as addressing the &#8220;free market&#8221; question. Is it free?<br />
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/glahn10222003.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/glahn10222003.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Robinson PPUK</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/11/01/shoplifter-sued-for-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Robinson PPUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the Government are committed to treating infringement and theft identically in theory, they don&#039;t actually practice what they preach. There are no plans to cut off the internet connection of people who buy physical counterfeit CDs or DVDs. The message to the public is clear: If you&#039;re not sure a product is worth buying and want to try before you buy, then go buy a fake from a gang of organised criminals. Is this really what artists and &#039;rights holders&#039; want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Government are committed to treating infringement and theft identically in theory, they don&#8217;t actually practice what they preach. There are no plans to cut off the internet connection of people who buy physical counterfeit CDs or DVDs. The message to the public is clear: If you&#8217;re not sure a product is worth buying and want to try before you buy, then go buy a fake from a gang of organised criminals. Is this really what artists and &#8216;rights holders&#8217; want?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Newton</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/11/01/shoplifter-sued-for-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also see http://www.analogartsensemble.net/2009/08/arctic-monkeys-dance-little-liar.html

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also see <a href="http://www.analogartsensemble.net/2009/08/arctic-monkeys-dance-little-liar.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.analogartsensemble.net/2009/08/arctic-monkeys-dance-little-liar.html</a></p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://a2f2a.com/2009/11/01/shoplifter-sued-for-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It played to 2,000 fans at a sold-out London Astoria, “with touts asking up to £100 a ticket,” said the story, and, the speed with which they band developed a “large and committed fanbase” was attributed to the, “viral marketing effect of the internet, with fans swapping tracks with one another with the blessing of the group,” the story adds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 One thing not mentioned. 
 The  Arctic Monkeys were already signed to a major label before the viral campaign started. The labels, knowing full well the power of viral marketing faked out the fanbase, with the band pretending that they were &#039;discovered&#039; and singed because of the internet, instead of the rality that they were already signed, and used the internet exactly how it should be.
 Afterwards, the started bashing the fans calling filesharers thieves, forgetting that sharing was what made them. The same sort of deception brought Rhihanna BACK to the spotlight with &#039;Umbrella&#039; She had many songs before that but pretended to be just a nobody on the net. The labels know the benefits, and use them. The criminalization campaign is meant to create laws, the end result of which would be that only those people signed by labels could afford to use the internet to create their own success. 
 Proof of how quickly the Arctic Moneys ( intentional slip ) changed THEIR tune.

 http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article1594238.ece
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070402/210639.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It played to 2,000 fans at a sold-out London Astoria, “with touts asking up to £100 a ticket,” said the story, and, the speed with which they band developed a “large and committed fanbase” was attributed to the, “viral marketing effect of the internet, with fans swapping tracks with one another with the blessing of the group,” the story adds.</p></blockquote>
<p> One thing not mentioned.<br />
 The  Arctic Monkeys were already signed to a major label before the viral campaign started. The labels, knowing full well the power of viral marketing faked out the fanbase, with the band pretending that they were &#8216;discovered&#8217; and singed because of the internet, instead of the rality that they were already signed, and used the internet exactly how it should be.<br />
 Afterwards, the started bashing the fans calling filesharers thieves, forgetting that sharing was what made them. The same sort of deception brought Rhihanna BACK to the spotlight with &#8216;Umbrella&#8217; She had many songs before that but pretended to be just a nobody on the net. The labels know the benefits, and use them. The criminalization campaign is meant to create laws, the end result of which would be that only those people signed by labels could afford to use the internet to create their own success.<br />
 Proof of how quickly the Arctic Moneys ( intentional slip ) changed THEIR tune.</p>
<p> <a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article1594238.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article1594238.ece</a><br />
<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070402/210639.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070402/210639.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Parsons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries whatsoever! I have to admit that it would be curious to see how quickly law changed if we associate cd theft with copyright infingement. Imagine in the UK: charged on the basis of infringement AND if the person played the music in public over a boombox they get whacked with a fine for not having a public performance license. 15-20 pound CD stolen = 100s of thousands in fines. I bet the judiciary would, at some point, just say that enough was enough (or, at least I hope they would!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries whatsoever! I have to admit that it would be curious to see how quickly law changed if we associate cd theft with copyright infingement. Imagine in the UK: charged on the basis of infringement AND if the person played the music in public over a boombox they get whacked with a fine for not having a public performance license. 15-20 pound CD stolen = 100s of thousands in fines. I bet the judiciary would, at some point, just say that enough was enough (or, at least I hope they would!)</p>
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